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12/01/2007

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Bumble

It looks like you are as fanatical as I am about Keller.

Darryl

You're right, there will never be another Keller, nor should there be. I think he touched on this in one sermon even. People get used to a personality, a look, charisma, etc.

But I'm not as concerned for a few reasons:

1) The associates will never be Keller but they are very good.
2) From what I understand, Redeemer will "plant" its various locations as individual congregations when Keller retries - I could be wrong on this.
3) They are focused on building a movement centered on the gospel, not a church focused on a personality.

I do think they've recognized your concern and have dealt with it wisely. Time will tell.

Ted

Thanks for your comments Darryl. I agree with you in that the movement should be centered on the gospel, not on a personality. I also think you're right in that there probably shouldn't be another Keller or Keller-clone (despite my dreams for one). However my opinion is that the quality of preaching from the associate pastors is lacklustre and does not come close to that of Keller's. In my view, the very reason that they have this potential problem of people focusing on one personality (Keller) instead of the gospel, is because the other preachers there aren't good enough to get the attention. If the associate pastors there were better preachers, I'd probably be less of a Keller-fanatic. My hope is that Keller invest into and build up another leader (may or may not be a Keller clone, although I'd prefer it) to carry on the torch to light the way with his own unique God-given gifts.

Rudy Amid

Your worry is justifiable.  I would worry if the congregation only goes to church just to listen to "the" pastor.

I haven't listened to Keller, so I can't form an opinion about his charisma/ability.  But my litmus test is always the humility factor.  Does he keep a simple life (not opulent)?  Does he promote his associate pastors?

God speaks through many of his talented people.  I wouldn't want to idolize someone either.

Erick

I see only one good solution:  Ted, it's time to big goodbye to the world of patents and IP and move to NYC and take over!!  Seriously though, I'd sign up for any podcasts of messages you'd produce wherever you are.

Stephen Baker

First of all, Tim Keller does not have ANY associate pastors. He only has assistant pastors. Those who know Presbyterian polity will understand the significance of this.

Secondly, I find your self-confessed idolatry of Tim Keller quite disturbing on many levels. It is time that the culture of Evangelical and even Reformed celebrity worship ends. God is not honored by it, and no matter how often you say it, the gospel of Jesus Christ is not advanced by it. Our Lord has commanded us to build his kingdom, not our own.

And not Tim Keller's.

Ted

Stephen,

Relax man. I admire Keller alot, and was only being a little tongue-in-cheek about my "praise" of him. I offer no apologies for promoting Keller, as I see him as one who effectively points/leads others to Christ; and not to himself or to his own "kingdom". I agree of course that it is not a good thing to worship/idolize a person over Christ.

On another note: Please be mindful of the tone of your comments on these public posts. We don't know each other. If I am in error as a struggling Christian or non-Christian (as you likely believe), your prickly comments do me no help (if help is what you intended), and I doubt if God would be honored by it.

Peace,

-Ted

Erick

Tbone, I always enjoy your blog posts and your comments too!

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